Leolaia, thank you for your help!
This identifies the origin of the Watchtower "sacredness of blood" doctrine -- a doctrine that must be adhered to at the expense of the very life it symbolizes.
It also identifies the commands given to Noah and how the Golden Age uses "creative thinking" to make application beyond God's direction. This same line of thought it used today to show how before, during, and after the Mosaic Law this all important command was still in operation and applies today according to the Watchtower's shifting opinion.
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1931 Golden Age scan request
by Ultimate Reality in"vaccination is a direct violation of the everlasting covenant that god made with noah after the flood.
"-- golden age 1931 february 4 p.293.
i have search this site, the usual spots on the internet, and cannot find a scanned copy of the article from which the above quote is taken.. .
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1931 Golden Age scan request
by Ultimate Reality in"vaccination is a direct violation of the everlasting covenant that god made with noah after the flood.
"-- golden age 1931 february 4 p.293.
i have search this site, the usual spots on the internet, and cannot find a scanned copy of the article from which the above quote is taken.. .
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"Vaccination is a direct violation of the everlasting covenant that God made with Noah after the flood."-- Golden Age 1931 February 4 p.293
I have search this site, the usual spots on the internet, and cannot find a scanned copy of the article from which the above quote is taken.
This is a vital issue when it comes to the development of the blood doctrine. And I may need to show this to a friend that has a blood disease.
I really would like to see the whole article to read what the reasoning was behind their application and compare this with the later reasoning on banning transfusions.
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How do the JWS interpret and view Matthew 16: 28 or Mark 9 : 1 ?
by Homerovah the Almighty inmatthew 16:28 verily i say unto you, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the son of man coming in his kingdom.
mark 9:1 and he said unto them, verily i say unto you, that there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of god come with power.
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As with many cases of Watchtower and Church teachings, we would have to assume that Jesus was speaking in riddles most of the time with the apostles.
Take the scriptures you listed and compare that with what the Apostle Paul told the Thessalonians in his 1st Letter, Chapter 4 (New American Standard):
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What convinced you?
by heybaby inas far as doctrine goes, what finally convinced you that this isn't the truth?
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After hearing about the 587 BCE date at a museum, I decided to understand why "we" say 607 BCE for Jerusalem's destruction.
Using only the Bible and "Insight" volumes it became clear that the 607 date was unfounded. At that moment, I knew the organization had no authority. Only after that did I search out other sources of information only to see how many others had "discovered" the same thing. -
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They "Keep Following the Lamb" - February Study Article (Praise for the GB)
by Ultimate Reality inthe article is not yet in print, however on jw.org you will find the audio recording for the february 15, 2009 study edition.. this article sums up some of the talks given over the past year or so.
it makes clear that we should trust the faithful and discreet slave because jehovah and jesus trust the "slave".
the slave has been faithfully providing spiritual food for 130 years.
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Civic:
Dates are a major problem for them.
The internal harmony of the scriptures and secular evidence (including certain statements in WT publications) clearly show that their 607 BCE date for the destruction of the temple is bogus.
Everything hangs on that date. Even if you can make the leap of logic on stringing together scriptures to say that the Gentile Times are 2520 years, if 607 is wrong then there is no 1914 and no 1918/19. If those dates fall, then that means they were not appointed by Christ and THEY HAVE NO AUTHORITY.
When Witnesses see that the "Governing Body" has no authority, then their fear evaporates.
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They "Keep Following the Lamb" - February Study Article (Praise for the GB)
by Ultimate Reality inthe article is not yet in print, however on jw.org you will find the audio recording for the february 15, 2009 study edition.. this article sums up some of the talks given over the past year or so.
it makes clear that we should trust the faithful and discreet slave because jehovah and jesus trust the "slave".
the slave has been faithfully providing spiritual food for 130 years.
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Some concluding highlights from this article:
As individual Christians, how do we view the timely spiritual food that the faithful slave dispenses by means of bible-based publications and through Christian gatherings? Do we gratefully partake of it and readily apply what we learn? What is our response to organizational decisions made by the slave? Our willing obedience to the direction provided gives evidence of our faith in Jehovah’s arrangement.
My sheep hear my voice. I know them, and they follow me. -- John 10:27. That is true of the anointed Christians. What about those who go with them? Such ones must listen to Jesus; they must also listen to his brothers. After all, the chief responsibly for caring for the spiritual welfare of god’s people has been entrusted to them. What does listening to the voice of Christ’s brother’s involve?
…listening to the slave class means giving our full cooperation to its Governing Body. Those who listen to the slave are blessed.
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They "Keep Following the Lamb" - February Study Article (Praise for the GB)
by Ultimate Reality inthe article is not yet in print, however on jw.org you will find the audio recording for the february 15, 2009 study edition.. this article sums up some of the talks given over the past year or so.
it makes clear that we should trust the faithful and discreet slave because jehovah and jesus trust the "slave".
the slave has been faithfully providing spiritual food for 130 years.
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Mary:
Thank you for posting the link to your excellent review.
We'll have to wait for a print copy to "tear apart" their arguments. However, what sticks out to me the most with these new study articles is that a scriptural reason (twisted or not) is no longer provided or really needed.
When the latest Generation change was made, one brother commented at the WT study that "it may not make sense, but we just have to accept it becase they [the GB] are the ones that have God's spirit."
Everyone has been dumbed down to the point where complex circular reasoning and weaving of scriptural fragments is no longer required to establish their point.
Just trust whatever we say. If you don't, that means you don't trust God because God trusts us. He trusts us because we say so, and that is the evidence that you should trust whatever we say.
And the congregation follows...
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They "Keep Following the Lamb" - February Study Article (Praise for the GB)
by Ultimate Reality inthe article is not yet in print, however on jw.org you will find the audio recording for the february 15, 2009 study edition.. this article sums up some of the talks given over the past year or so.
it makes clear that we should trust the faithful and discreet slave because jehovah and jesus trust the "slave".
the slave has been faithfully providing spiritual food for 130 years.
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The article is not yet in print, however on jw.org you will find the audio recording for the February 15, 2009 Study Edition.
This article sums up some of the talks given over the past year or so. It makes clear that we should trust the Faithful and Discreet Slave because Jehovah and Jesus trust the "Slave". The Slave has been faithfully providing spiritual food for 130 years. As proof that Jesus and God are blessing the slave, the article points to the numerical increase in congregations.
It also encourages that we fully cooperate with the Slave's representative: The Governing Body. We do this primarily by going out in "service".
What is amazing is the role of the slave and GB seems to becoming more important than ever. It is if Jehovah and Jesus have submitted themselves to the Slave! They have put their complete trust in 9 men in Brooklyn, so our trust is now to be placed--not in God--but in earthing man.
I hope that some in the organization will see this article for what it is--as Brooklyn tightens their grip on critical thinking.
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The Parousia by James S. Russell and a different view of Revelation
by Ultimate Reality inmany who hear about the "preterist" point of view become confused since thoughts often run to the idea that all bible prophecy has been fulfilled--for many this cannot be reconciled.
for the average witness, we have never even been exposed to a different view on bible interpretation.
indeed, the watchtower view of revelation and bible prophecy is that most everything in the bible applies now, to our special time since 1914, with the end of the system of things and the great tribulation right around the corner.. however, where does the concept originate that matthew the 24th chapter has a secondary fulfillment beyond 70ce?
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Many who hear about the "preterist" point of view become confused since thoughts often run to the idea that all bible prophecy has been fulfilled--for many this cannot be reconciled. For the average Witness, we have never even been exposed to a different view on bible interpretation. Indeed, the Watchtower view of Revelation and bible prophecy is that most everything in the bible applies now, to our special time since 1914, with the end of the system of things and the Great Tribulation right around the corner.
However, where does the concept originate that Matthew the 24th chapter has a secondary fulfillment beyond 70CE? Indeed, the Christians of the First Century were expecting the fulfillment of Christ's Parousia in the 1st Century. Were they fooled? Was Jesus speaking in complex riddles on the Mount of Olives?
But what about Revelation? That proves there was much more to happen after the 1st Century and in "the Lord's Day". Right?
But a question that needs to be asked is: What if Revelation was written BEFORE 70CE? What research has led the Watchtower and other organized religions to the 96CE date? Research Irenaeus and his FULL quote about the dating of Revelation to see if it is conclusive.
If Revelation was written before 70CE, that would change everything. And it would take away the Watchtower's claim that the end is always just around the corner, not to mention all the other details of Revelation they apply to themselves.
While C.T. Russell was still a young man, another Russell wrote an examination of the Parousia and how, in his estimation, the scriptures clearly mark Jesus 2nd Coming as happening in the 1st Century. His examination of Revelation is also compelling, with the end of a figurative 1000 year reign and resurrection yet to be fulfilled.
You may not agree with all points, but I am sure you will find James Stewart Russell's book a worthwhile read (which can be purchsed on Amazon and you may find some free PDF's floating around).
What frustrates me is that, growing up as a Witness, these alternative views of the scriptures were not even acknowledged or discussed. As so-called "bible students" you would think that the Society would want us to understand such points of view. But then again, some of us might start using our minds...
Anyway, if you have read The Parousia, I would love to read your thoughts...
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1984 Survival Into a New Earth--PDF!
by Atlantis in1984 survival into a new earth--pdf!
bookmarked searchable reduced front cover?
click here: http://www.imagger.com/view/664586_scan-10001.jpg.html click the link at the bottom of the next page.
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I am not the first to point this out. However, the best "spiritual gems" of this book are found on pages 184 and 185. Note that the Society is clear that the Anointed of 1914 and the Great Crowd of 1935 will live to see Armageddon.
We know they have twice since 1984 dealt with the 1914 Generation issue by going in doctrinal circles.
But this 1935 Great Crowd deal is a problem for them. For those of us that have seen Parents, Grand Parents, and Great Grand Parents die with an "earthly hope" it is clear that the call for the Great Crowd went out too soon after all!